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Amit Porfolio XIRR 25 % 9 years (17-02-2024)
To find the reasonable or conservative value of a company you can think of it like a Bond (Debt) so if you buy something at 2 times book doing 16 % ROE means you are buying an 8 % bond. This assumes the company does not grow its earnings and secondly company is so good that its earnings will not drop (the market usually has a lot of trust with some history) so some large funds can think they are getting this cheap vs debt funds and if the earnings grow it will be plus. So this is the minimum value a company should trade at, off course in the short-term market can do anything but if you are buying like this or lower you will not lose money in the long term but have a big upside if the company performs as multiple will expand and earnings will also grow.
You will not get many opportunities like this but you don’t need many as you don’t have to sell, patience is the key
Amit Porfolio XIRR 25 % 9 years (17-02-2024)
To find the reasonable or conservative value of a company you can think of it like a Bond (Debt) so if you buy something at 2 times book doing 16 % ROE means you are buying an 8 % bond. This assumes the company does not grow its earnings and secondly company is so good that its earnings will not drop (the market usually has a lot of trust with some history) so some large funds can think they are getting this cheap vs debt funds and if the earnings grow it will be plus. So this is the minimum value a company should trade at, off course in the short-term market can do anything but if you are buying like this or lower you will not lose money in the long term but have a big upside if the company performs as multiple will expand and earnings will also grow.
You will not get many opportunities like this but you don’t need many as you don’t have to sell, patience is the key
Journey and Portfolio of a goal-based NEEV investor (17-02-2024)
Let’s speak about Paytm as an opportunity or better to avoid it as a falling knife. Much has been said here in this VP thread…
- Date: 17th Feb 2024
- Valuation: Rs 21,677 cr
- Price/Book value: 1.75x
- 3y revenue growth: 24.6%
- 3y EPS growth: 24.5%
Paytm has quickly become a special situation opportunity – is it a blessing in disguise or an absolute avoid is the question?
In such cases, I always find exploring the narrative vs evidence useful to create multiple scenarios. let’s explore…
Scenario 1: PPB is not rescued, but a third party steps in to settle the UPI transactions. In this case, the wallet business for Paytm is entirely lost. Here, the impact on EBITDA could be Rs 300-500 crore as per the management. Some analysts feel this will hurt its ability to draw on an otherwise large customer base to up-sell its financial products. Others feel Paytm should be able to build the lost base back over time, even though it will have to live with the immediate financial jolt. This is because its rivals like BharatPe and PhonePe too have a similar structure – they do not own a bank like Paytm does.
- Impact: Paytm might lose its edge of having a bank underneath and become very much like PhonePe; then the bet is on management execution
- Action – tracking position; say 1% of portfolio
Scenario 2: PPB is rescued by other banks, both wallets business and UPI transactions are saved. In this case, the impact on EBITDA could be lower than Rs 300-500 crore. The loss of time and opportunity cost till a bank steps in to rescue both parts will impact the company.
- Impact: If other banks buy-out PPBL, then over-time CAN Paytm will retain much of the edge than it’s peers? Not sure, but worth exploring
- Action – staggered position sizing
Scenario 3: No other banks step in to salvage the situation, not even the UPI part. Paytm’s core proposition will be impacted. As users switch platforms, this can potentially threaten Paytm’s existence.
- Impact: Terminal value can be at risk
- Action – absolute avoid for me
Here’s how Paytm makes money and its subsequent split across segments:
Here’s how Paytm’s m-cap vs other pvt players:
Possibilities:
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Finds a new sponsor bank (wallet business can be saved) – the impact is minimized (Axis seems to have responded)
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PPBL is sold to some big banks (ICICI, Axis, HDFC), then the competitive advantage of Patym could be retained (wait and watch)
What to keep an eye on:
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Case 1: Any bank coming to rescue as a “sponsor bank” for scenario 1 to play out?
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Case 2: Any bank showing interest in buying out PPBL?
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Case 3: RBI giving an extension to the 29th Feb deadline could be an indicator (happened as extended till March 15th from Feb 29th)
@rpattabi @ValueV any thoughts?
PS – wrote this note early this week. realized some of the above are getting executed. hence sharing my pvt notes publicly to draw more eyes/criticism (hopefully constructive from the community). also not on Paytm’s main thread, so this discussion which has many speculative points remains here.
Disclaimer: No position. Also, I am not a financial advisor nor a SEBI registered advisor. The content shared here is only for learning purposes. So please use your discretion to make any buy/sell decision and not use the above as a recommendation.
Tata elxsi (17-02-2024)
Really awesome that you could make 10 bagger out of it. Also appreciate your patience to hold it for long time to realise such high gains.
I would seek your opinion on one related point of view.
Recently saw interview of Kuntal Shah and he said that, once your selected stock start performing in a very good manner, the logical approach is to averaging upwards. Since your conviction about the company has come true , you will keep on adding to it and hence your returns will not turn into multibagger as u have kept adding into it. Similar when ur stock is not performing, you will not do logically averaging down.
So from 2020 till today it has become 10 bagger. So since your stand on the business got validated, you didnt think its appropriate to average it up…Not now may be, but in 2021, or 2022 etc.
Chirag’s Portfolio (17-02-2024)
Yes. It’s in net profit now.
Commodity and Cyclical Plays (17-02-2024)
Phthalic Anhydride looks like another sector worth tracking currently. Have done some work on IG Petrochemicals (Market leader). Would appreciate any thoughts.
Caplin Point Laboratories (17-02-2024)
Overall, The compounding machine of caplin goes on its merry way!
US to contribute majority of growth for next 1-2 years with tradional LatAm business growing steadily at 10-12%
Then, once approvals and registrations come in the next 2-3 years for the bigger geographies of Latam like mexico and Brazil, growth can go into the next league.
Plus, management is constantly on the lookout for new growth drivers like Insulin, Acquistion etc.
And with such a strong balance sheet, serious risks become very low