I think, you have polycab issue in mind.
As per my point of view, cash business has been a tradition for indian businesses , particularly in these segments. Even if you visit your local shops , you will find that they keep two sets of books…One for the tax purposes and one which is real, which includes cash dealings. And when a business gets listed , this habit and tradition continues. I will not take holier than thou approach. Its part and parcel of indian business operations.
I would like to give analogy of another MNC company which I held for 3 yearsand recently sold off. Abbott India ltd. Its an Indian subsidiary of Abbott. Now this MNC parent also maintains a Private Ltd subsidiary called Abbott Healthcare Pvt ltd, which is not a listed subsidiary. Now many good medicines and famous products are launched not under listed subsidiary but under unlisted pvt subsidiary, thus causing loss to the minority shareholders of Abbott India. This is also a form of theft of profit which rightly belongs to shareholders as the cash sales of polycab. But its legitimate and nobody can do anything about it as parent holds listed subsidiary very close with 75% stake. And then there are so many businesses who divert business to their private companies at the cost of listed companies. This is more of a norm and SOP. As and when our markets reacts strictly, some shareholder activism gets established , these practises will become things of the past, but its not going to happen in a hurry. In our lifetime of investing, things will continue and we should not lose sleep over it.
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The HS Portfolio (15-01-2024)
Amba Enterprises (15-01-2024)
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Narayana Hrudayalaya Ltd (15-01-2024)
Insurance is a double edge sword and can go either way if underwriting is not done appropriately.
Earlier Apollo had an insurance arm called Apollo Munich. Despite a joint venture with a global player, they ended up exiting this business only to be acquired by HDFC Ergo.
Amit Jain’s Portfolio (15-01-2024)
Don’t forget the PE multiple for Tax & Penalty which has to be more than current multiple.
JTL Industries – Fast Grower at an inflexion point (15-01-2024)
They are doing 1300 crores capex in next 3 years so what about depreciation?
Pondy Oxides ltd (15-01-2024)
When a thread exists for a company, everything that pertains to the company is discussed in the thread itself. No separate thread is required.
The HS Portfolio (15-01-2024)
Hard to say. If a quantitative metric like valuation is subjective, this is beyond subjective. One has to come to a conclusion depending on one’s own observations, views, experiences etc. We can also read/watch interviews given by managements and draw some inferences. And, I have opposing views, I have read about market respecting some managements, also there are times when market knows about certain issues with some managements, but still went on with the price ride. Only when something comes out, it is said that they always had issues.
Also, on a different note, it is possible to give the benefit of doubt in our market, because there are groups, managements, individual investors, with good reputation who have been doing businesses for many decades.
Before investing, one can look at the documents a company provides at the time of IPO, to know about the beginnings of the management, their journey up until then, their values, their nature, their culture, their vision etc, and can come to an understanding as to who they are as a private entity, before taking public money.
I have never particularly focused on these qualitative aspects before investing, although after investing, I do come across conference calls or video recordings of meetings with managements, and I try to draw some inferences.
As these are purely subjective, take my views with some salt.
Pondy Oxide & Chemicals (15-01-2024)
Pocl allott 10 lakh preferenceal share at 507 and issue convertable warrant for promtor equel to 7 lakh share is this not a red flag because current price was 853 per share why they not go with QIP I doubt management is going for personal profit someone reply please
I think management is greedy for money. Although this is according to sebi rule but this is not shareholders friendly decision.
Pondy Oxide & Chemicals (15-01-2024)
Pocl allot 10 lakh share