Q3 FY ’24 Concall notes
Financials (Q3):
- Revenues: INR 431 crores (35% QoQ).
- EBITDA: INR 70 crores (5% QoQ), Margins: 16.24%.
- PAT: INR 535 crores (Inclusive of INR 493 crores from woodshed business).
Financials (Nine-Month FY2024):
- Revenues: INR 1,073 crores.
- EBITDA: INR 196 crores (19% YoY), Margins: 18.3%.
- PAT: INR 194 crores, PAT Margins: 11.13%.
Operations:
- Rutschi sales concluded, strengthening balance sheet.
- Project revenues rose from INR 130 crores to INR 214 crores QoQ.
- Domestic segments performed robustly.
- International growth expected in South Africa and Sterling, Australia.
Outlook:
- Continued project revenue momentum.
- Steady domestic order book.
- Anticipated international growth in key markets.
International Order Book Decline (45%) and Rutschi Impact:
- 45% decline attributed to exclusion of Rutschi’s long-term contracts.
- Order book, excluding Rutschi, remains strong and well-positioned globally.
Overall Order Book Strength:
- Robust order book in all three major business segments.
- Domestic product and project orders are solid.
- Focus on addressing challenges related to execution improvement.
Nuclear Sector Involvement Post-Rutschi Exit:
- Full exit from nuclear business associated with Rutschi.
- Continued domestic production of certain pumps for the nuclear sector (excluded from Rutschi transaction).
Performance Comparison Q3 FY24 vs. Q3 FY23:
- Minimal growth, earnings declined.
Management Explanation:
- Year-on-year flatness from Dec 31, 2022, to 2023.
- Foresees a robust Q4 with expected growth.
- Attributes flat performance to a remarkable jump in the previous year (INR 1,000 cr to INR 1,800 cr).
- Anticipates sustained growth, though not as significant.
EBITDA Margin Fluctuation:
- Q3 international EBITDA margin dropped from 22% to 11%.
- Attributed to revenue shifts, not margin challenges.
Revenue Impact Clarification:
- Emphasizes that margin drop results from revenue fluctuations, not reduced profitability.
- Suggests considering nine-month and yearly figures for a more accurate assessment.
EBITDA Performance and Guidance:
- Q3 standalone EBITDA: 19%, nine-month EBITDA: 17.64.
- Indicates stability across product and project divisions.
- No significant project ramp-up to maintain EBITDA and contractual commitments.
- Emphasizes the critical importance of maintaining EBITDA margin.
- Benchmark figures for guidance: 17.64 standalone, 18.27 consolidated.
Execution Capacity and Future Growth:
- Identifies growth in domestic and international product segments.
- Improved project performance with an INR240 crores run rate.
- Resolved supply chain challenges.
- Anticipates growth with a robust order book.
Post Rutschi Exit and Plans:
- Plans for capital deployment in inorganic expansion.
- Exploration of opportunities within and outside India.
- Focus on opportunities within the company’s core expertise.
Project Execution and Revenue Decline:
- Improvement in project execution noted in the current quarter.
- Overall nine months show a decline in revenues.
- Order book stands at INR3,800 crores (3500+ project, 260 product)
- Average project completion time: 24 to 30 months.
Management’s Explanation:
- Two aspects of project work: supply side and construction side.
- Last year witnessed a ramp-up in the supply side, contributing to good revenues.
- Lower supplies in the first half due to market challenges, now picking up.
- Major rebound in construction this year, expected to increase quarter-on-quarter.
- Emphasis on execution before booking more orders.
Q4 Project Execution and Growth:
- Expecting better Q4 project execution compared to the previous year.
- Targeting improvement on last year, aiming for around INR900 crores.
Pump and Accessory Business:
- Decline noted in the current quarter and a 6% growth on a nine-month like-to-like basis.
Management’s Insight:
- Segment has a strong order book and good execution.
- Anticipates growth, though not as high as last year.
Unallocable Expenses and Tax Rate:
- Sharp rise in consolidated unallocable expenses in the nine months.
- Effective tax rate for nine months closer to 30%, up from 25.6% last year.
Management’s Clarification:
- Unallocable expenses increase due to specific regrouping in consolidated figures.
- Tax rate influenced by capital gains tax for a transaction.
Proceeds from Rutschi and Future Plans:
- Priority was debt settlement, freeing up INR650 crores cash with INR150 crores in borrowings.
- Focus on growth opportunities, primarily utilizing available cash.
- Considering reversing holding or fixing leakages in minorities at Holdco level if growth opportunities are not realized.
Current Strategy:
- Primary target is growth, exploring interesting ideas and markets aggressively.
- Fixed deposit rates are favorable, cash is effectively parked.
- Will review strategies if growth opportunities are not effectively utilized.
Profit Margin Decline:
- Operating margins dropped from 19.2% to 16%.
- Main raw material: steel; prices stable.
- No specific reason for the decline.
- Middle East crisis, Suez Canal blockage affecting Italian business’s supply chain in Europe.
- Some missed dispatches last quarter will shift to the current quarter.
- Nine-month EBITDA margins at 18.27%.
- Assured decline not due to costs or revenue.
Future Outlook:
- No expectation of further margin erosion.
- Positive environment, anticipates improvement.
User Industries and Growth:
- Domestically, industrial segments like steel and oil and gas are contributing to the growth.
- Municipal segments are strong due to focus on Jal Jeevan and Swachh Bharat missions.
- Internationally, oil and gas markets in Australia and Italy are robust.
- Strong presence in municipal water supply markets, especially in South Africa’s mining industry.
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