are you saying that mutual funds will beat individual investors and will give more than 15% or it will beat double the GDP returns? and how do u think, mutual funds will stand out vis a vis individual investors?
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SBI Cards & Payment Services Limited (28-11-2023)
- This is by observation because people who have just joined jobs and early in career will spend aggressively compared to ones who are in their 30s who might be bit conservative( Just my opinion , might be wrong).
- I have received calls on daily basis from hdfc , based on that I said.
Confidence petroleum (28-11-2023)
Yes, I bought around that time when there was a lifetime flash sale in the market
Nope, I never averaged up or down after my initial buy.
Long term investment strategy (Buy, hold but don’t forget) (28-11-2023)
In the past 10 years, SENSEX has moved from 22K to 65K which is only 11.44% CAGR returns due to low GDP growth below 5.5 to 6%. (This is in spite of low base in 2014 due to tough economic situations after 2012).
Prior to that, between 2003-04 to 2013-14, SENSEX moved from about 5K to 22K/23K which was close to 16% CAGR with about > 8% GDP growth. This was the period when I started my investment journey.
Above figures are approximate but very close.
So, SENSEX growth has been relative to GDP Growth. It is approximately 2 Times GDP Growth.
Considering the fact that, GDP growth will remain mostly below 6% going forward, if individual investor can generate 15% to 16% returns those will be certainly good in my opinion.
With 15% CAGR you can still compound money at very good rate. Funds will double within 5 years or even in 4 years which is reasonable expectation.
Mutual Funds might beat this but with relatively higher risk. Hence Risk adjusted returns need to be seen.
It is also possible to generate these returns in Large Caps with moderate exposure to Mid Caps, if investor follows value investing approach.
These are few observations from my journey.
Confidence petroleum (28-11-2023)
Hi Praveen,
I know I will be getting a lot of flak for this as this is almost a pseudo rule breaking of this forum :D.
I hardly listen, read or pay any attention to what management has to say on growth potential of any company. It’s common sense in my view. No management on the earth will say in next 3 or 5 years, my company’s sales will degrow or I am going out of the market. , So to be very frank, I don’t give any value to what management has to say on the growth potential. Furthermore, how many companies we have in India especially under mid or small cap categories where management has delivered on their guidance. Most of the companies don’t even know what will happen to their sales in next 1 year, leave alone giving guidance to the market for next 3 years.
Having said this, I value company based on today’s standing and what they have delivered in past. I normally use DCF valuation, EVA based valuation and reverse DCF and lot of other things in addition such as their past reinvestment rates, ROIC, SSGR, cash flow ratios blah blah… . I do all these valuation by reducing their historical performance by at least 75% i.e. they will at least achieve 75% of what they did in last 5-10 years. I also reduce all return ratios to bare minimum level of inflation rate in long term (>7-10 years) as mean reversion will kick in.
Ultimately in the FA, Reverse DCF has to make absolute sense to me. In FA, people often ignore the most basic thing which is available to them – stock price. It’s the most wonderful weapon while evaluating the company in my view. It contains all the information within. All expectations of the earning growth, degrowth, companies expansion plans in next 5 years, management quality, change in management, everything is built into the price. In today’s day and age, in my view, nobody has the advantage of having extra information which no one else knows. Implied performance based on reverse DCF has to be considerably lower than historical average for me to think about the company.
Once that’s done, I evaluate technical charts – mainly stage investing and some of the screeners I built over the years. Stock has to be in early or mid-stage 2. I try to avoid stage 3 companies and never invest in stage 4, no matter how good the company is in terms of fundamentals.
Once all my criteria and checklists are done, then I spend one or two days reading about the management (not their guidance), any corporate jugglery they are involved in etc. (Valuepickr is a great resource for that). Once that’s tick-marked, I take a position and that’s it
Phantom Digital Effects Limited (28-11-2023)
My simple 2 cents are:
If only creative work is to be done as AI will replace boring manual works then all these VFX companies will have another existential crisis as then studios will do all that creative works internally because that’s their expert domain. Today they are dependent on VFX companies largely for manual work in my view.
Smallcap momentum portfolio (28-11-2023)
@iyeron You got it right. Strongest means highest returns over 6 months and 1 year with low volatility. There are some momentum strategies where you would go to cash. However, with relative momentum strategy that I follow, I remain invested in the strongest stocks and never go to cash. Please note that in a falling market, the strongest stock in the index could still give negative returns, but would have fallen the lowest.
Once you start taking discretionary decisions, you are moving away from rule based investing, which is what I am following. With a weekly rebalance chances of excessive falls is generally low.
I faced such issues last year in another momentum portfolio tracking Nifty50 and Nifty Next50. The rebalance frequency was monthly. Adani stocks fell and there was no exit possible. Even when I decided to exit in between rebalances, the situation was so bad that there were no buyers, only sellers.
Confidence petroleum (28-11-2023)
Hello Abhi
Congrats on the multibgger and bigger congrats for holding this.
Could you describe your investment thesis when you bought ? Management was not giving any guidance at that time. How could make your earning estimate etc.
Did you buy after COVID ?
Did you scale up your position after initial buy and at recent levels of 70rs 90 rs ?
Just asking to learn from your experiences.
Thank you
Praveen
PayTM (One 97 Communications Ltd) (28-11-2023)
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Phantom Digital Effects Limited (28-11-2023)
https://twitter.com/ManickamRavich1/status/1728425505525837947?t=M6nZAWD9Lpk9Jj2OBU-nVw&s=19
This is from an investor with significant stake in both Basilic and Phantom.
https://twitter.com/BahirwaniKrish/status/1728416208368631963?t=w6UZ9Ja8nYJEeDPfxjWusw&s=19
This is from Krishna Bahirwani whose concall notes have already been posted in this thread
https://twitter.com/Finstor85/status/1728416667447767042?t=dlwDj_ucESwlC2PBRPUdzQ&s=19
And this is a well respected Twitter expert in IT cos agreeing with Tariq Bhai’s opinion.
So the jury is divided among the professional investors. Some guys in the Twitter thread have rightly pointed out that if AI were to entirely replace VFX, it won’t be long before they replace editing and design products like Adobe Premiere, AutoCAD etc. And majority of the IT services work. So if AI were to advance to the level anticipated, lot more than VFX companies will be affected. A good part of the NASDAQ and Nifty IT will go to dust too.