Sir
It’s nice if u can elaborate this with some more details…
Disc. invested
Sir
It’s nice if u can elaborate this with some more details…
Disc. invested
Comparison is Quarter vs Half Year vs 9 Month vs FY 23 vs FY22.
You should compare it with making some common base.
Results are decent/good.
Gujarat Capex Guidance has been increased to ₹9000 crores from earlier ₹5000 crores.
default is NSE for me in both the cases in both web version and mobile app.
Sugar sale quota will be higher by 10 to 15 % as compared to last year due to higher production in Q4 and higher closing stock in Q3. However, profit for FY 24 may not be 190 crs – but will be upwards of 150 crs – if sugar realisation increase to 41/42 then it could reach 200 crs !! Q1 FY 25 will be much better than Q1 FY 24 due to better recovery – recovery in April/May is lowest due to warm temperatures but this year crushing will end a month in advance as crushing capacity is higher by 30% and cane is only 8% higher.
Lower ethanol (and so higher sugar production) has messed up the sugar sales/ stocks calculations – quarter wise. But on annual basis it will average out.
regarding your points:
Its a pity these aspects are not explained in the investor presentation/ concall.
Documenting long term investing
Long term investing is tricky but it is easy to document as compared to high churn strategy. Despite it is easy to document, i dont think we have enough literature on the subject which talks about “practical” aspect than “theoretical” aspect. Thats why investor community has confusion over – what qualifies for long term, is it buy and hold, buy and forget, which companies are suitable for this strategy
I am really thankful to valuepickr team enabling investor community to document some aspects of long term investing
Through this thread, my humble attempt is to address following aspects
I also hope, after few years reader will have definitive answer on – whether I am successful in implementing strategy? I am hoping it will be so obvious ( right or wrong ) that I do not have to publish my long term IRR to deduce that
I was reading about M/s Pakka Ltd., wherein I came across an instance of a merger of a company owned by the promoters into M/s Pakka Ltd. As per my analysis, the valuation given to the merged company was very generous. I request your valuable inputs.
As per AR 2022-23, the company informed that it has absorbed by merger another company, called Yash Compostables Limited (YCL). The Scheme had been approved by the Hon’ble National Company Law Tribunal, Allahabad Bench vide order dated April 18, 2022. As such, 28,38,500 Equity Shares of Face Value of Rs. 10/- each of Pakka Limited were allotted on 13.05.2022 to the Shareholders of YCL.
AR 2022-23, Page 119,
In this way, around 7.45% of the company went to YCL shareholders.
From the Merger related documents available on website of Pakka Ltd., at least 99% of the shareholders of YCL were promoters of Pakka Limited.
So, it is clear that ~7.45% of the equity holding in Pakka ltd after the merger went to the existing promoters of Pakka Ltd only.
Now, the NCLT scheme annexure gives the basis of valuation of YCL as follows: –
Pdf named ‘YPL NCLT Convened Meeting- Notice to equity shareholders, pages 123-142.
As such, the methods used to value YCL and ‘Pakka Ltd’ were ‘DCF method’ and “Market Price method”, respectively, as Pakka Ltd was already listed on exchanges.
As the DCF takes into account the future projections, following were the projections used: –
So, the revenue was projected to grow at a CAGR of `~46% from FY 2020 to FY 2023.
Similarly, PAT was projected to grow from loss of -1.3 cr to profit of 16.2 cr.
Further, the valuer says that the management of YCL has forecasted company’s earnings.
The valuer did not feel any need to question such high projections.
As a result, the Equity value of YCL was calculated as ~118 crores as on 01.06.2020, whereas it was still making loss of 1.3 crores as of 31.3.2020.
AR 2022-23, Page 249 of Pakka Ltd shows that YCL has negative Net assets as on 01.04.2020.
Now, if we compare the projected revenues of YCL with actual figures from Pakka Ltd. ARs, we see projections were indeed too high. (Although not directly comparable, but since YCL was mostly making tableware products, I am using ‘Moulded products’ revenue from Segmental reporting in Pakka Ltd.
(in cr) FY 2020-21 FY 2021-22 FY 2022-23
Projected Revenue 344 516 670
Actual Revenue 23 32 53
Total Revenue of Pakka, after merger 184 291 408
Even the total revenue of Pakka Ltd. is way less than the projected revenue of YCL alone.
Also, the Moulded products division was not able to report profits even in FY2022-23, whereas it was projected that YCL would have ~16 crores of PAT in that FY.
Based on the information discussed above, it seems to me that promoters were able to get a bigger pie of Pakka ltd by valuing the YCL at exorbitantly high valuations.
financial results for quater ended Dec 31, 2023
Reg 33 Results December 2023.pdf (1.7 MB)
Your first 5 points are fantastic. I will delete this shortly, but i just wanted to appreciate your write-up.
I was looking for any mention of them keeping an option to revise the buyback price one day before the record date (yet to be declared as share holder voting is currently on) but did not find it. I saw in Bajaj Auto case, they have kept this option. Any experienced person on buybacks may shed some light on it.
Disc: Bought the shares for buyback arbitrage immediately after the announcement.
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