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This is from Q4 concall on April 29th, 2023…Vaidya repeated same thing in many of his media interviews along with terms like ‘opening of the jaw’ and ‘J curve’ to signal that profits will grow significantly but in reality profits are declining from last 4 quarters along with dilution of equity.
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Also comparing IDFC First with other established banks and saying that it has performed better than those does not seem to be the right way to looking at things imo, there is NO OPERATING LEVERAGE story at play in other good banks, they are already at a respectable number in terms of ROE, ROA and Cost to Income.
The problem is with management
over promising and under delivering and still trying to promise more in form of guidance 2.0
It’s not about judging it every quarter but about seeing the direction in which it’s going, bank’s performance is slowing down significantly QoQ and it will start showing in YoY number also from next quarter onwards.
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IDFC First Bank Limited (22-01-2024)
Saikat Portfolio (22-01-2024)
First, thank you very much for the feedback!
Great suggestion! I have always been confused about allocation, particularly in terms of balancing my portfolio. I am learning everyday and trying to develop a clarity on allocation. I have been following my feelings, which is far from ideal. What is your suggested method for reducing allocation? Do I sell my positions to reduce allocation? I always thought that I would rather exit the stock completely if my thesis is invalid – for example, if there is a risk of losing money beyond what I can absorb or if the result of the uncertainty turns out to be unfavorable.
As you have correctly noted, my largest allocation is in a negative basket. The money comes from the sale of SBCL and MAPMYINDIA in September 2023 and therefore, it looks skewed. There will be another skewed allocation after I sell the railway sector stocks. I put in fresh cash every month to the value basket which slowly evens out the allocation over time.
IDFC First Bank Limited (22-01-2024)
Apologies for pinpointing, but it’s important to note that Vaidya never made promises of that nature. It’s a common understanding that neither he nor anyone else in the market can guarantee specific outcomes. provisions has increased this quarter, and the management, along with several members in this group, has already provided explanations for the reasons behind it.
I echo the sentiment of @Sanjeev_Bansal in acknowledging that we might be placing overly high expectations on the management, anticipating improvements every quarter, which may not align with the realistic dynamics of the real world.
It’s essential to recognize that Guidance 2.0 is just that a guidance not a dream. Whether IDFC First achieves it or not remains to be seen, and only time will reveal the outcome. Let’s stay informed and monitor their performance to better understand the trajectory we’re on.
IDFC First Bank Limited (22-01-2024)
Bank’s NII has grown at 30% YoY, PPOP has grown at 24%.
Deposits have grown at 37.2%.
I don’t find any other major bank which has given such an operational performance in this quarter. The only issue with this result is high provisions (which mgmt has explained as Aging related matric) and high Cost to Income ratio (not a new issue).
While the bank has changed quiet a lot, many shareholders want mgmt to show improvement every quarter. I don’t think that works in any company. Bank has already moved from sub 5% RoE to 10%+ RoE. The management has now guided for 17-18% RoE in next 5 years. As a shareholder, this is already very aggressive guidance.
If they even achieve 15% RoE while doubling the Asset book, we are talking about a bank with Book value of 60K+ crores in next 4-5 years. Currently, the bank itself is worth 62K crores. If bank even gets a PB ratio of 2.5 by 2029 (how much will you give to a bank growing at 20% with 15% RoE), we are talking about 2.5x return in 5 years. It means 20%+ returns over next 5 years.
I am surprised that even though bank has shown no operational issues, still people are writing obituaries for the bank as if management is found to be involved in some fraud.
A weak quarter only leads to weak hands giving stocks to strong hands. In investing, only strong hands make profit. If the share falls 5-10% in next few weeks, I would suggest that it’s the best time to add.
HDFC Bank- we understand your world (22-01-2024)
The other main purpose of the branches is to sell products.
Whenever someone visit a branch for whatever reason it’s a great opportunity to push the customer into buying
Insurance
Mutual fund
Home loan
Etc etc.
If we all just use Internet banking and never visit the branches, how will they be able to sell all these products?
Whenever they sell insurance, hdfc life can benefit if they sold hdfc life insurance. Hdfc Bank has a stake in that entity so great.
When they sell home loans it’s great because it’s merged with Hdfc now
When they sell mutual fund, hopefully they are selling hdfc mutual funds in which case it boosts hdfc amc which is also great because the bank owns amc.
So as a owner in the bank and amc and hdfc life it is all win win win.
Let them open many branches and sell sell sell more products
Companies with 20%+ growth guidance for next few years (22-01-2024)
I will start posting good results of my tracking companies who has given guidance to see if they are doing walk the talk or not.
Gensol engineering – Q3 Fy 24 revenue was 227 cr and 9 month revenue is 584 cr. FY 23 revenue was 366 cr. I am expecting company to do 250-300 cr in Q4. So Gensol may end up doing revenue of 800-900 cr revenue. Company has guided 900-1000 cr in FY 24 and 1500+ cr in FY 25. Please note that their guidance before Dec was 1300 cr for FY 24 and 2500 cr for FY 25. They reduced the guidance since EV plant hasn’t started. So there will not be any EV contribution to revenue in FY 24.
TTM PE is 60 now which should be changed to 45-50 once Q4 result come. To me results are good. Risk is to watch out for EV roll out and its success since it has been delayed by an year.
Karur Vysya Bank (22-01-2024)
Karur Vysya Bank –
Q3 concall highlights –
Advances up 17 pc @ 72.6k cr
Deposits up 13 pc @ 85.6k cr
CASA up 5 pc @ 27k cr
NIMs @ 4.2 pc, up 9 bps YoY
GNPAs – 1.58 pc ( down 112 bps !!! )
NNPAs – 0.42 pc ( down 48 bps !!! )
PCR – 95 pc, up 394 bps !!!
RoA @ 1.65 vs 1.32 pc
RoE @ 17.2 vs 14.1 pc
NII – 1001 vs 890 cr, up 13 pc
Other income – 358 vs 317 cr, up 13 pc
Op Profit – 676 vs 690 cr ( down 2 pc )
Provisions – 149 vs 364 cr ( down sharply )
Net Profit @ 412 vs 290 cr ( up 42 pc !!! )
Segment wise growth in advances –
Retail up 21 pc @ 17k cr
Commercial up 20 pc @ 24k cr
Agri up 19 pc @ 17k cr
Corporate up 6 pc @ 14k cr ( deliberate strategy by the bank to keep low margin business’s growth at moderate levels )
Fresh slippages @ 197 cr ( well within limits )
Bank is holding total provisions of 822 cr against Net NPAs of 305 cr !!!
Total bank branches @ 831 vs 790 LY. To open 8 new branches in Q4
Expecting to maintain NIMs of > 4 pc in Q4 as well
Confident of keeping the slippage ratios under 1 pc
Std restructured book @ 1.09 pc of advances. Holding 28 pc provisions against the std restructured book
Bank has a BNPL arrangement with Amazon. The book is growing well and credit costs are low
Demand from MSMEs continues to be very strong. Seeing good demand in Q4 as well. MSME book is now 33 pc of bank’s total book
Bank is going slow wrt loan disbursements to large corporates as the yields there r low and the bank believes that they can get better yields elsewhere
If the textile industry picks up, it should be positive for the bank as TN has a vibrant textile industry. Signing of UK, Switzerland FTA should also be a positive
Banking is going to increase its focus on retail home loans and builder loans over the next 2-3 yrs. This has been identified as a core growth area for the future
Going to expand slowly into the MFI segment as well (by tying up with various partners)
Disc : holding, not SEBI registered, biased
Ranvir’s Portfolio (22-01-2024)
Karur Vysya Bank –
Q3 concall highlights –
Advances up 17 pc @ 72.6k cr
Deposits up 13 pc @ 85.6k cr
CASA up 5 pc @ 27k cr
NIMs @ 4.2 pc, up 9 bps YoY
GNPAs – 1.58 pc ( down 112 bps !!! )
NNPAs – 0.42 pc ( down 48 bps !!! )
PCR – 95 pc, up 394 bps !!!
RoA @ 1.65 vs 1.32 pc
RoE @ 17.2 vs 14.1 pc
NII – 1001 vs 890 cr, up 13 pc
Other income – 358 vs 317 cr, up 13 pc
Op Profit – 676 vs 690 cr ( down 2 pc )
Provisions – 149 vs 364 cr ( down sharply )
Net Profit @ 412 vs 290 cr ( up 42 pc !!! )
Segment wise growth in advances –
Retail up 21 pc @ 17k cr
Commercial up 20 pc @ 24k cr
Agri up 19 pc @ 17k cr
Corporate up 6 pc @ 14k cr ( deliberate strategy by the bank to keep low margin business’s growth at moderate levels )
Fresh slippages @ 197 cr ( well within limits )
Bank is holding total provisions of 822 cr against Net NPAs of 305 cr !!!
Total bank branches @ 831 vs 790 LY. To open 8 new branches in Q4
Expecting to maintain NIMs of > 4 pc in Q4 as well
Confident of keeping the slippage ratios under 1 pc
Std restructured book @ 1.09 pc of advances. Holding 28 pc provisions against the std restructured book
Bank has a BNPL arrangement with Amazon. The book is growing well and credit costs are low
Demand from MSMEs continues to be very strong. Seeing good demand in Q4 as well. MSME book is now 33 pc of bank’s total book
Bank is going slow wrt loan disbursements to large corporates as the yields there r low and the bank believes that they can get better yields elsewhere
If the textile industry picks up, it should be positive for the bank as TN has a vibrant textile industry. Signing of UK, Switzerland FTA should also be a positive
Banking is going to increase its focus on retail home loans and builder loans over the next 2-3 yrs. This has been identified as a core growth area for the future
Going to expand slowly into the MFI segment as well (by tying up with various partners)
Disc : holding, not SEBI registered, biased
Excellent promoters (22-01-2024)
I believe SIS LTD promoters good. trying to create value via buyback 2021,2022 and 2023.
IDFC First Bank Limited (22-01-2024)
I wanted to ask this in the call but someone already asked. They replied by saying that some accounts needed higher provisions due to ageing. They follow strict rules for NPAs and as per them those accounts falling in higher age had to be provisioned for accordingly.