Summary of the key points from the Pondy Oxides and Chemicals Ltd. (PCL) Q2 FY2024-25 Earnings Conference Call:
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Financial Highlights: PCL reported strong financial performance for Q2 FY2025, with consolidated revenue from operations increasing by 42% year-on-year and 30% quarter-on-quarter. Consolidated EBITDA increased by 75% year-on-year, with EBITDA margins at 5.2%, up from 4.2% in H1 FY24. Consolidated PAT increased by 188% year-on-year, with PAT margins exceeding 3% for the same period. The strong performance was attributed to increased production, sales, and realizations in lead, plastics, and copper.
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Operational Highlights: Capacity utilization of lead, plastics, and copper increased substantially. Lead division sales increased by 47% year-on-year on a half-yearly basis and 49% year-on-year on a quarterly basis. The sales mix between domestic and export markets remained at 32% and 68%, respectively. The percentage of value-added products in the lead segment remained consistent at about 60%.
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Project Updates: Construction of PCL’s new plant at Tuticorin is ongoing and is expected to be completed for trials by the end of the calendar year 2024, with production commencing from Q4 FY2025. PCL is also increasing capacities in its lead vertical from 132,000 metric tons per annum to 240,000 metric tons per annum in two phases of 36,000 metric tons each. The company’s existing equity shares have been subdivided from one equity share of INR 10 face value into two equity shares of INR 5 face value. The board approved raising funds of up to INR 250 crore through a qualified institutional placement to be utilized for long-term growth and expansion of existing and new verticals.
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Recycling Industry Trends: The projected growth of the recycled lead market is being driven by demand from the automotive, construction, and renewable energy sectors. The demand for electric vehicles, which use lead-acid batteries for ignition and other ancillary applications, is anticipated to further propel demand for batteries.
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Government Regulations: Amendments to the battery waste management rules highlight the government’s shift towards stricter accountability for battery producers, ensuring they take responsibility for the entire life cycle of their products. This regulation may also lead to increased consumer awareness about battery disposal, encouraging responsible consumption and recycling practices.
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Outlook: PCL’s outlook is positive, influenced by strategic capacity expansion, enhanced operational efficiencies, a well-planned capital expenditure strategy, and effective management practices.
Q&A session summary:
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Volume Increase: The increase in sales volume was primarily driven by the lead vertical, which is backed up by the company’s expansion plans to meet potential future demand. PCL also attributed the increase to the addition of new customers and penetration into new markets.
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Performance of Aluminum and Plastics Segments: The aluminum segment is being revamped to focus on value-added products. The plastics segment has seen a turnaround from the previous year. While PCL has not been able to utilize its plastics capacity as anticipated, the company expects a turnaround in the third or fourth quarter of this fiscal year.
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Working Capital Increase: The sharp increase in working capital and negative operating cash flow post-working capital were attributed to the jump in turnover. The utilization of working capital increased, though the average utilization period decreased slightly.
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Lead EBITDA Per Ton Increase: The increase in lead EBITDA per ton was attributed to the value-added products segment.
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Hedging Raw Material Volatility: PCL hedges its raw material price risk through forward contracts and by maintaining soft commitments from larger suppliers for a specific amount of raw materials on a monthly basis. The company also has medium-term contracts (3 to 6 months) in terms of volume and supply.
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Capacity Utilization and Expansion: PCL expects its new capacity of 36,000 metric tons (first phase) to be fully operational by Q4 FY2026. The second phase, adding another 36,000 metric tons, is expected to be operational by Q2 FY2027. PCL is targeting a capacity utilization of 80-90% by Q1 or Q2 of calendar year 2026.
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Carbon Certificates: While PCL is eligible for carbon credits, the process is not currently active. The company plans to begin voluntarily reporting on environmental, social, and governance (ESG) factors to enhance its value proposition.
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New Verticals: PCL is exploring new verticals in rubber and e-waste recycling, conducting techno-commercial evaluations to assess the value chain proposition. While the company is also evaluating lithium-ion battery recycling, it is not yet commercially viable due to the early stage of the lithium-ion battery market.
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Impact of Government Regulations: The company believes that government initiatives and regulations, such as the Battery Waste Management Rules and Extended Producer Responsibility (EPR), will benefit PCL by making the domestic supply chain more transparent and organized, ultimately increasing domestic raw material sourcing.
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Value-Added Products: PCL defines value-added products as those that are customized for specific applications and offer higher margins than pure lead. The company aims to increase the percentage of value-added products in its portfolio to 70% by FY2026.
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Raw Material Procurement Mix: PCL’s raw material procurement was previously heavily reliant on imports. However, the company is seeing an increase in domestic sourcing and expects the mix to shift towards 65-70% imports and 30% domestic by next year.
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Sales to Indian OEMs: Sales to Indian OEMs were approximately 36-38% in the first half of FY2025.
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R&D Facilities: PCL plans to establish a dedicated R&D center in the next financial year to explore newer verticals and more futuristic materials beyond the basic recycling of non-ferrous metals.
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Mundra Land Acquisition: PCL intends to start work on its 123-acre land parcel in Mundra by December 2026. The land will be used for future expansions in various segments, including lead and other verticals.
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Market Share in the Lead Market: PCL estimates its market share in the organized lead market to be around 10-12% of India’s current secondary lead production.
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Revenue Mix by Segment: PCL aims to diversify its revenue stream, reducing the share of the lead vertical to 65-70% by FY2027 and further to 50% in the next 3-4 years, with the balance coming from other verticals like copper, aluminum, and plastics.
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Turnaround in Aluminum and Plastics Segment: PCL is working on turning around its aluminum segment by focusing on more profitable products but did not provide a definite timeline. The company expects a turnaround in the plastics segment in the next couple of quarters.
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Competition from In-house Recycling: While in-house recycling is becoming more prominent in India, PCL does not view it as a threat to its business and believes companies will continue to outsource recycling.
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Expansion into Steel Recycling: PCL has no plans to enter steel recycling, maintaining its focus on non-ferrous metals.

Q2 FY25 P&L Performance Summary

• Consolidated revenue grew 13% year-over-year (YoY) to Rs 4,214 crores, with a 12% increase in constant currency terms. The India business, comprising 70% of total branded business revenue, grew 15% overall but only 2% organically. This suggests that growth in the India business was primarily driven by acquisitions.
• Group net profit (GNP) before exceptional items grew 3% YoY to Rs 388 crores. This is a slower growth rate than the 11% YoY increase in EBITDA to Rs 629 crores. The slower growth in net profit is attributed to higher interest costs and amortization due to recent acquisitions.
• Profitability in the international business (29% of branded revenue) improved significantly, with profit growing 53% YoY. Growth businesses, excluding recent acquisitions, grew organically by 15%.
• EBITDA margin for the quarter contracted 30 basis points to 14.9%, driven by higher input costs in the India tea business. This is a reversal of the 30 basis point margin expansion observed in the first half of the fiscal year.
• Standalone net profit for Q2 FY25 declined 14% YoY to Rs 223 crores. This is likely due to the higher exceptional costs incurred in the quarter.

Overall, the latest quarter results show a mixed picture. While topline growth remains strong, driven by acquisitions and international business performance, profitability has weakened due to margin contraction in the India business.

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