Fair point Anant. Its a healthy debate. I was just sharing the info I read on
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MPS Ltd (22-12-2015)
Much depends on the profile of acquisitions, but let me make some things clear :
(1) Aggressive inorganic route is only preferred when organically a company is not able to grow comfortably or you have some serious gaps in your offerings vis-a-vis competition. Relative to inorganic route, organic route is always better as such high inorganic quantum, ~70-80 % of existing scale, always brings with itself integration and other issues which if not handled properly can backfire severely on you.
(2) Since you have asked me, if I was in the management, I will definitely be concerned of lack of organic growth and it has to start somewhere for my company to sustain in the long run (unless I want to build the company in medium term and then sell it off). Also, I would not be atall hesitant to admit in front of investors/analysts, who are much more knowledgeable today and have varied data points in their hands to track, that company is falling behind vis-a-vis competition (reasonable indian peers) and these are the problems and we are taking these steps to resolve the problems.
(3) I would not have raised 150 cr. funds for inorganic expansion without concrete proposals in hand unless I was worried of my own companies' shares valuations by thinking that when concrete proposals do materialise I might not get the same valuation I am getting today.
(4) Its not easy to find everytime a company like Macmillan at the valuation at which it was acquired. Remember, even before the acquisition by Mr. Arora, MPS (under Macmillan) was a great company operating at ~45-50 % margins ; it was loss-making acquisitions and serious overheads at senior level that led to the debacle. This is not to take away the credit from Mr. Arora for the way he quickly made the turnaround possible -- if it was some other guy than him this could have been a daunting task -- But, when we look for inorganic route, we need to be practical as in this dynamic world, time lost is opportunity lost.
(5) Although many here might not agree with me, but, I still feel that no rationale management will face another AGM by raising before one and a half years, 150 cr. for acquisitions and not making any use of that funds. If beforehand at the time of raising funds, proper timeline was given asto within two years we will acquire then it was ok but post raising funds everytime management has said "we want to seal the deal soon and negotiations are going on". I feel that we are very near to some sort of announcement on this front and sincerely hope that its not a token decision.
(6) With so much delay already made post raising of funds, I would prefer acquisition for expansion of platform business rather than in plain outsourcing space. However, management is on record stating that they will prefer the acquisitions that are blessed by their clients but such blessings might not be possible in platform space.
(7) In whichever space the acquisition is, it should not be heavy loss making acquisition (as Macmillan did), as it will be foolish to think that everytime a Macmillan like turnaround is possible even from the same guy. As I said before, Macmillan was a unique case where its inherent strength were exceptional ; such cases are rare and not many.
(8) In plain outsourcing play, low margin low debt acquisition will be best but that might not come cheap. As management I need to understand my company's strength and that is robust cash generation in the absence of aggressive macro (industry) growth. I will give this factor utmost priority while making any acquisition.
Sreekanth....let's keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.
Rgds.
Discl. - Invested in MPS . No trading in last 30 days.
Nandan Denim Limited – No. 1 position in denim play (22-12-2015)
Hi Janarthanan,
Thanks for appreciation. My answers to your queries -
1). EPS valuation of 18.11 made by me was before I met the mgmt. Till then I just had a talk with IR over phone. Once i met the mgmt - Govind Sharda - he told that there was some delay in the expansion plans which will reduce the projected EPS of 18.11 to some extent. But, again he told that the backward integration is going to help in a big way to increase the EPS. (Backward integration was planned to get finished by end of financial year - which we completed early). He did not tell exact figure. But, we might think to have EPS between 15-18 (18 has a high probability).
2). Sales will be 25% YOY for next 5 years atleast. They have plans to set up processing unit - hiring fashion designers, adding value added products in the portfolio, which will give them entry into global markets. Think when the domestic denim industry is expected to grow at 15-18% CAGR, Nandan is expected to grow at 25% CAGR - basis expansion done, backward integration done, export market entry, etc.
3). Capacity is 99MMPA - but the capacity utilization is 80% - that means 80MMPA. So company has 30 MMPA open capacity left.
Ignore the EPS for this year - it can be 15 or 18 - because still 4 months to go and we do not know how fast or slow the expansion plans will take place. But, if we look into long term - sales are there to grow at 25% CAGR, backward integration is there to help raise EBITDA margins, processing facilities to bring value addition and increased realization per metre.
Mr. Govind Sharda - with surety told that the CFO this year will be 200 cr (133 cr last year).
Automated Stock Analyzer (22-12-2015)
Thank you. I only have a beginner-level academic interest in stocks so I am not familiar with the terms you have mentioned. Would you mind sending me some relevant links on these? Thanks.
My long term portfolio (22-12-2015)
Good businesses. You have 38% in Granules. Depending on how much absolute cash is in that...it is high number anyway. I assume you are monitoring the business like a Hawk. and willing to take corrective action at the first sign of trouble. Else you will get very expensive education in the virtue of diversification.
Automated Stock Analyzer (22-12-2015)
Very nice workkkk !!!!!
Automated Stock Analyzer (22-12-2015)
Dear Pattu,
Appreciate the humongous effort & super skills. Would request you to add few more graphs which could further make the analyser attractive and insightful. Just a suggestion
Quarterly or yearly EVA (economic value add), Intrinsic value graph- Flashback & Forecast
Let me know if this sounds doable or impractical.
Nevertheless- thanks again for such wonderful stuff !!
Steel Strips Wheels Limited – Attractive Valuations (22-12-2015)
Hi guyz,
Kalnik and SSWL has joined hands to start a plant in Gujarat for manufacturing Alloy wheels - where Kalnik already has mastery in making and SSWL has market knowledge. It has to be an agreement between both the parties to take a stake in the company at 640/- and have a decision taking authority at the board level (for Kalnik). If Kalnik goes and get the shares from the open market (simply it can get in next 2 days - daily volume of 2lac shares), it would not get the control required for doing business. I think its a green flag.
The worry to me is the ROE and ROCE - ROE is around 11.94% and ROCE is much less around 7.50%.
If we conduct du pont analysis - financial leverage is high enough, NP margins are higher than the peers or almost same, the problem seems in the Asset turnover. Sales are not growing at good rate. Company claims to have bagged great orders recently, but the same is not getting reflected in its performance. Sales of other peers have grown decently. Any clue/hint here.
What about the mgmt - I feel mgmt is decent enough - TATA steel and other global players are its partners. But, need to dig more into integrity of promoters. Anyone having inputs here?
Multidisciplinary analysis:- Maggi fiasco (22-12-2015)
Pyschology
Pavlovian and denial effect has caused the sales of 5-6 crores in last 2 months which is normally it used to sell before crisis.
Please find the article in times of india.Refer to last 4 paragraphs.
"http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/cons-products/food/nestle-india-gears-up-to-launch-more-maggi-variants/articleshow/50267318.cms"
Problem:- I expected more sales as normally the loss aversion, denial and pavlovian will cause people to come back more and sales to be more (1.5x- 2x).I think either sample size is small and will wait for one year after crisis to recheck the theory.
Introduction & Portfolio (22-12-2015)
Although we have a tendency to appreciate management when stocks rising and doubt their credibility when its falling. But your observation is correct. Esp Lanco. Eros is still ok types. However considering Lanco is in infra, was reeling under court cases and other problems its stock seems to be bitten down. I am hoping they will turn around - won cases, started generating power to haryana & also raising fresh capital. Having said that lanco is still a speculative bet......bit of experimentation
How do you do management quality check- suggest a systematic/practical method. Going to AGMs, meeting etc are not possible for me.