Being a stock picker and making public stock recommendations is a hazardous activity. If the stock pick fails, disgruntled investors are quick to draw the gun and shoot to kill. You need a thick skin to handle the criticism and carry on with your job.
Daljeet Kohli is one of the victims of this short-tempered attitude of investors. Though he has several multibagger stock picks like Ajanta Pharma, Alembic Pharma, JB Chemicals, CARE, Gujarat Pipavav etc to his credit, Daljeet was attacked mercilessly over the failure of his stock pick, Sharon Bio-Medicine.
Porinju Veliyath, who is well known for his forever bullish stance and preference for so-called ‘low quality’ stocks, is also frequently lampooned as an ‘operator’, ‘fixer’, ‘manipulator’ and whatnot whenever his stock picks are discussed. Though there is no evidence to show any wrong-doing on Porinju’s part, people nevertheless attack him and his stock picks.
Basant Maheshwari is the latest to join the club. The alleged failure of his stock pick, Hawkins Cooker, has not gone down well with a section of investors and several of them have taken to MMB to vent their ire on him.
Basant has been subjected to the choicest of abuses. Someone called him a “bluff master” and said that he has “lost credibility”. Another asked him to “apologize”. Yet another threatened to file a “complaint with SEBI”. Another ridiculed Basant’s followers as suffering from “BM Mania” and claimed that they are “blinded” by his charm. Yet another claimed to have “busted BM’s gang who mislead the small retail investors for their own vested interest”. Some crossed the line by alleging that “Basant is a crook making tall claims of CAGR using leverage” and that “BM’s free advice just to manipulate the stock price so that he and his paid members get the benefit”. Some other allegations are that Basant had already sold off the stock when he made the public recommendation, etc, etc.
Basant has so far maintained a dignified silence and kept a stiff upper lip, refusing to be drawn into the debate.
However, Basant’s fans have rallied in his support. They have descended in large numbers and are keeping a 24×7 vigil at MMB. Every criticism of Basant meets with a swift and brutal rebuttal. The strategy that Basant’s fans are following is to highlight his long track record of picking winning stock picks and to emphasize that he is a man of “integrity”. They have also adopted the strategy of lampooning the detractors. “The critics of BM don’t know the story – they truly are the frogs in the well and who remain content being in the well. Live with your ignorance you ignoramus” one fan said. Another added that the criticism of Basant is “unprofessional and unacceptable statement. We know BM very well. Don’t act like smart here”. Yet another claimed to be happy to be living in “BM Mania”. Another was more direct: “You are only here to discredit and denounce and raise allegations without putting yourself in any line.. If you are such great man, pls give 2-3 reco like BM and lets see what happens in 6 months..”
Interestingly, Basant Maheshwari is not a stranger to criticism. On an earlier occasion, Basant was attacked on twitter for allegedly making a claim that his PMS/ portfolio had earned “65% CAGR” and for allegedly not having any evidence to back it up. His detractors also took umbrage at the fact that Basant is not “registered as a RIA” and is not “subjected to audit” from SEBI. On that occasion also, Basant’s followers turned up in large numbers to combat the detractors. There was a free-for-all slug fest of allegations and counter-allegations which lasted many days.
However, Basant is probably unaffected by all the criticism. He is a seasoned player and knows that if one wants to be in public life, one has to accept the bouquets with the brickbats.
I think he should explain his idea behind Hawkings and what he think. there is nothing to hide. A clear explanation like he gave why he moved from titan to repco will calm all down. I remember him openly telling abt hawkings. but he never talk abt it, he is suggesting now granules. He should admit what he thought which went wrong for the stocks.
This kind of blind faith only Indians can muster up. He bought Hawkins at 300 levels. Pumped it up to crazy PE without any earnings growth to back it up. If he did not sell ,why not clarify it in public? So how is it ? You will use the media and retail investors to whip up a frenzy.But will keep mum about selling it?!! Fake Holy men, road rash movie stars, corrupt cricketers now stock wizards can be safe in the knowledge that, here in India blind followers are everywhere.
I am not blaming BM for Hawkins failure. What I dont is that he doesnt even talk about hawkins in the recent interviews. why not admit that it went wrong?. ( or he sold off if he had sold off). not so long ago he was proudly saying Hawkins was a 10 bagger, how its better than ttk etc. and the other thing was he was recommending hawkins at such high valuations despite prolonged earning disappointment.
adding to my previous comment. 1) his tweets are only about his appearing in tv or re tweet of someone praising him. never seen anything else. 2) regardless of what, i think 1 lakh per year subscription is way too much. i think this was mainly because if his blind fans. it will be interesting to see the fee this year.
I asked him once about Hawkins.. wanted to understand what went wrong and to know if i can add some more.. he blocked me off twitter and facebook.. I didnt knew it will hurt him so much.. i mean atleast he shud explain what has happened rather than being promoting himself on tv channels…
As per my knowledge, BM has requested all his subscribers to visit MMB to help him out. And after his request only many blind followers and subscribers came to his rescue. Why at the first place he needed to request his subscribers in this regard? It seems he has completely lost it and could not take it easily people’s talk.
Disc: Invested in Hawkins, though one of my friend is subscriber of BM and he showed me BM’s plea to help him out. 🙂
Basant had just few consumer stocks. Hawkins not only showed his failure but his dishonesty. After the bad results of Hawkins he claimed on his website “fabulous returns”. Can’t these blind followers see this?
BM is human.he ciuld be wrong too. but majority of his picks hv performed well n thats whats count.
BM In the past 5-7 years of his rise to stardom has repeatedly bashed, abused stock analysts who gave recommendations which did not work out. What BM is doing now by keeping absolutely mum about this scandal is much worse than any of it. So he deserves most of it.
People have only one life, a short one. But even in that, they sell dreams, raise hopes, talk of freedom, may be, even fool others. And when their actions are questioned, they run away like a coward leaving hoards of followers feeling cheated, having lost. These people are reading this page, for sure. Why don’t they own up? Take responsibility? Admit mistakes? Prove that they are committed what they pretended to stand for? Show that they are different from charlatans? It is one thing to talk about interest of others, it is different when one is interested only in adding to his wealth, whatever be the means. Character is not something seen often in these days.
What is Sebi doing? Is this not a scam?
This is a serious case of rigging a low float stock and dumping it on retail investors. This is a multi crore scam wonder why no media house is picking it up. Either they are dumb or working hand in gloves with him. One can approach money life magazine. They take up investor grievances cases . Its people like this BM who keep retail investors away from the market. Indian stock market will continue with low participation and providing enough opportunities for these guys to rig further. Somebody should put a stop to this.
I have spoken with a senior investor in chennai . This investor is a personal friend of BM. He said BM sold all his Hawkins share by January end. I do not have access to bulk dealing information. If somebody can produce evidence in hard numbers, we have a case against him.
harrisons malayalam is stock pick from porinju at 72
I wanted to see how he performs in next cycle of market where leaders may change. He himself said he identified consumer theme just by chance.
If we see his latest interview he is not able to visualize which theme (because of sector tailwinds) will take leadership of next up trend. Now he says it could be housing finance or consumer or IPR pharma.
May be he will become more humble now.
all is manupulated & pre planned , even hosts in recent tv shows dont ask him wats goes wrong with hawkins or his latest view on stock.nothing wrong in going wrong in stock but keeping silence is . BM should think of his follower who sees his tv shows & bought hawkins & still staying with it
I dont understand Why people blame others for their own mistakes..What Intellegent Investor say, do through analysis of the business than put your hard earned money.. Dont follow anybody blindly..Do your homework & than invest…
So all such rigging exercises should be ignored? This is just not some anonymous tip. Its a case of misleading people who paid good money for his services.If the January selling is true he was minting money at others expense. All wrongs shouldn’t be white washed with a do your own analysis disclaimer. This easy disclaimer has been a safe hideout for such people.
But did he scam us? Can’t be sure . Agree with anand on this issue. If he did sell it white recommending it to us its a crime I suppose? Problem is us the salaried people cant go and sit at some sebi office. Have to like your wounds and learn a lesson from it.
I am a subscriber of Basant’s Corner for the past 3 years. Basant has never been good accepting his mistakes. One of his stock picks innoventive industries was doing badly. It was a subscriber who brought it to his notice. He hastily gave a sell call at 60% discount to his recommended price. He never accepted that his analysis was wrong or he has simply forgot to track it. His transparency , ethics etc discourse is for everybody else not for him. Should we completely avoid him? No. Take his recommendations with a spoon full of salt.
Who said Hawkins is not a multibagger?!! It has gone from Rs 300 to Rs 4000. Basant has made crores in it.
Yes Miss I am sure basant made crores in Hawkins. Did u?
None of your business. Hawkins is a free cash flow stock, it pays 80%dividend,its the market leader in kitchen ware in India, its quality surpassed that of international companies, basant sir still owns it.it will be a 10 bagger in 3 years. U will fall at basant sirs feet then.
This is truly buttering at its best. No effort/stand will be left unturned to escape this shootout/blunder by BM. he is a coward and is hiding behind his blind followers.
Miss first please watch your language in a public forum. Know this 1) FCF is not a permanent asset,it will disappear if business environment worsens. 2) Market leader in kitchen ware – really? 3) Dividend has reduced to below 60% at 45rs 4) Basant still holding it. I assume you are an subscriber to his service and that info is given by Mr Basant himself.
They all are stock manipulators. They know nothing. They just manipulate the low equity stocks and exit the stock when general public starts buying them. Hawkins is the live example.
I really dont understnd why the subscribers are supporting such wrong doing of basant?? One can argue day and night whether basant is holding or not.. if he is holding then y does he not come on tv and if he is not then too why does he not share his views on the company? Something is missing here….
A journalist friend of mine says that he calls the editors of new channel all the time and asks – Kab bula rahey ho, next? (when are you calling me, next). He tells them that he has something new to add. They call him and then he gives his one liner and says that it was original. When it stopped working he said he found a new theme. He also specifies that “No Hawkins” (questions) please. NDTV seems to be getting tired of him. But ET Now still calls him to fill slots in between shows.
Basant goes on ET Now and says “I don’t know why people buy pharma stocks. I don’t understand it at all”. He made fun of people who buys pharma stocks. One month later he comes on TV and recommends Granules???
Both channels and basant work on each other.. business channels wants new ideas for their investors.. experts like basant eants to promote himself.. ehat better than a tv channel like ET or NDTV.. Everything is planned in advance… if an investor makes a loss.. both biz channels and the experts run away… exactly what basant did…. sad part on him..
I think basants first innings as a promoter of the equity desk was good. It was a good portal for investors to share knowledge. But then success with consumer stocks got to his head. His greed has grown at a faster pace ,ending in this spam.
I totally agree with you…he was a very nice and still remember him in TED. and then he got changed. even how he used the TED only in his purpose was not good. anyway i dont think anyone own hawkings and stupid enough to pay huge amount for his subscriber.
Yes he was selfish in ignoring TED when he made money and concentreated only on ASK BASANT service for which his charge was 1 lakh per year Same thing he repeats now closing ask basant basically selfish person
I think person coming on TV and recommending Hawkins to retail investor and advising the subscribers to hold on to stocks should reveal as when did he sell his holding(if he has). This will clear lot of mess. The subscribers and retail investors have been caught on a wrong foot.
Please check the volumes in Hawkins in January end and February 2015. There seems to be lot of rise in volume. Somebody looks like had sold lot of Hawkins stocks.
The question is whether or not the advisor sold his holdings or not. He has the right to sell. But the problem is asking other people(retail investors and subscribers) to buy and hold the stock and then quitely selling his own holdings. This is where the issue is where poor investors have been caught on the wrong side. This becomes a Scam in my opinion.
Basant played a game like godmen .Mixing positive truths with fake claims. Here he used the success of page to push Hawkins with little fundamentals to back it up. Even when he gave a sell call to Titan he sold most of his stake at 280’s .The sell call was given only later. This when raised by some subscribers were brushed aside . Some inexplicably called his decision as unselfish. His subscribers must also be blamed. They frequently produce statements like “Basantji you are better than RJ” , Basantji you are not peter lynch you are like Paul Fischer etc. These comments come out almost on a daily basis. With such blind faith its easy to dupe them. Still some are of the belief that he has not sold it lol
Even his blind followers are to his rescue showing past performance. . But what abt the new investor who has trusted him.. he has lost it.. he will nvr trust these idiots and may b will nvr invest again.. thr shud b some steps to b taken against basant.. and he cant be silent…
Problem was that he put hold on hawkins also told his people why sell hawkins but then silently sold once it went down while his subscribers thought he too was holding it – price fell then he said he sold not because company bad but for better options-this was unethical because many relied on his buying for them to buy – Now he is closing down his ask basant service but not yet announced refunding of subscription but also not taking portfolio related questions-either he has to refund money or maintain same quality in his ask basant service.but he is not a cheat only bit arrogant and never toreates criticism
he was selling it even before he gave the hold call to us. He could have given the sell call while he was selling. But it would mean loss of few crores to his portfolio.instead he decided to feed on us. Pardon my language because the stock was holding up because we are holding it. This is a multi crore rupee scam
Bm in his Basalt corner forced buyers who were reluctant to invest in Hawkins to buy it. Every time some one sent a query for portfolio check up he suggested to increase Hawkins. He used to put results update as outstanding for even a minor rise in Hawkins sales. His end game was one of pure fearful greed. To wantedly rip off from his own followers and not answering queries for which we paid money is unethical. Unethical is too light a word. It should be termed a scam if he was selling before the hold call.
I am a memner of BC basic plan for the past 1 year.I bought so much on his buy call in Jan and feb. I bought it for my sons future. Feel so cheated now .its such a sick thing to do.I can understand a error in judgement. How can he wantedly cheat us. ?
I understand your pain mam. I work in a call center from 10pm to 6am. I burned myself to put money for his service Hawkins was 30% of my portfolio. His callous arrogant manner in disposing us off makes me feel so helpless. That hold call while selling was scam enough.
Satish..you can follow many blog and big investor like dolly, vijay, asish dhawan, kacholia, bakshi etc. in those case you can see clearly what they buying and selling. and then check from your end.
I am sure he won’t give our money back. No one will take up our cause. This is a good issue for tv channels to pick up?they are always looking for new issues Why are they not doing anything??? why other big investors like professor sanjay b are silent? Basant maheshwari is worse than all fake analysts who give reco on TV.they never take your money.
He sold before giving us even the hold. The price was at 40pe bcoz we were not selling. He sold and profited at our pain. How did he have the heart to make a fool of people who almost worshipped him.His silence is not dignified. Its the SMUG silence of a very successful SCAMMER
Does anybody know what bm telling currentely subscribers about Hawkins? Is it still number 1 on Basant top ten and buy or sell or hold position recom?
i wont trust my money with him if he starts any pms , since he is not taking que on askbasant he has to refund our subsription today ,he is not closing askbasant formally since each day he is gaining ,if he close today he has to pay back today,i think he wont pay back at all and delay things so ur subscription will Automatically expire in july
we all know that basant advocate concentrated portfolio of 4-5 stocks, if by chance he feels that stock is not gud for portfolio & he want to sell that stock all quantity, will he sell stock of his portfolio first or he will say his paid subscriber to sell that first in his paid website ? this question is both for basant & his subscriber . i think answer of my question will tell all story (keeping in mind selling a stock in 4-5 stock portfolio means a lot for holder)
Why the subscribers don’t ask as when BM sold his holding in Hawkins(if he has)?
We did. He said he sold . He is very arrogant oand doesn’t give direct answers. He is not saying when he sold.
Now he shut down the ask basant q&a section. Not giving back the money also.
BM gave endless discourse on chor promoters. Now he proved he is the absolute chor promoter aka chor company Basant maheshwari financial services. This guy is capable of bigger hiests in the future. He will start a PMS now I think. In a PMS he will play a bigger game.
Man…he should not start PMS….i will say he is a classic example how people change. i remember him from 2008 when he used to response many simple queries i used to post in TED and used to explain financial term. may god bless him 😉
As a member of paid advisory you have all the right to know as when he sold his holdings in Hawkins even more when he advised subscriber to buy. It shows he advised with a motive to take the stock to a high and sold his holdings. He was looking an exit point at the cost of paid subscribers. Now keeping silence over the complete issue will only raise more doubts.
Thevadiya paya ,echa koothi basant. I lose 3.5l +1l for his website. Cheater
I understand there are SEBI guidelines. The advisor cannot misguide subscribers for his personal selling and buying. This become a case of fraud. Otherwise why was he charging so much money from the subscribers(just to misguide them for his personal interest..lol ). The subscribers would have lost of money and he has to give a valid reasoning as why he sold off(if he has) and told them to buy/hold.
Plus his credentials are also not high.. he is not even a RIA… his past returms were more of bull mkt story rather than anythng else and this is just a way to fool subscribers and retail investors….
its nonsense to charge this high and giv no service…
This is India boss. No rules no regulations. You are free to run scams.SEBI is just a namesake org. Its your problem if you are in the middle of a scam. In a few days this will all be forgotten. He will start a mutual fund or something and some retail investors will be shown a attractive track record and they will Fall for it. It will go on.
I understand but there would be some grievance sell where people can write or talk.
Write to concerned authorities.
If lot of people voice their concern to authorities, who knows you might get justice.
http://investor.sebi.gov.in/oiae.html
On the topic of investor grievances it only deals with depository and depository participants only. I think one should approach the consumer court. But is one ready to spend money and time to get back money ? Which may or may not happen. Or all aggrieved subscribers must form a group and pool in their money . That will make the legal expenses less.
Joining all the subscribers is a impossible task because in his Ask basant section all queries , comments are without name or any email addresses. He edited and deleted any kind of contact numbers in the queries. Funniest part was the My profile section where you upload your bio data. That bio data is not visible to anyone but him !! The final few days showed why he didn’t want a open house. It would have quickly lead to a group formation. In the end a beautiful scam. With the arrival of FB ,wp, Twitter we are bound to think knowledge is easily available and reputations can get damaged in a day,so these big guys won’t do wrong. But do you see any news of this in fb? In twitter maybe? Certain things never change. “Trust and you will get hurt”
There seem to be a lot of guys looking for info on Hawkins . First BM is out of the stock completely. Second Hawkins present high pe after this mayhem is purely because WE the subscribers of basant corner bidded it up in hope that we will have another page. Third if its still holding because people who bought at 3k+ and 4k+ hope that one day they will get back their money. Fourth – sell it sell it even at a loss and erase the word basant from your memory. Do your own analysis there are lots of good stocks in the market. Hope your pain of losing will disappear with time.
About me – bought some at 1500,2000,3200,3800. Out of it now with nil returns or loss. But lost 1L to basant for his ask basant section. Have to add it to ‘a lesson learnt’ section of my life.
Did basant answered that he completely sold his holdings?? did he mention he will buy again at lower price or something?
Ask Basant shud be renamed to “SEARCH BASANT”
Thanks for the info people. With basic plan I was literally tearing my hair apart. Never have lost sleep over anything else in my life
After Tanu weds Manu returns , Now a new movie should be made, Basant weds greed returns 🙂
It may be fun for you neutral guys. For us loss is just not monetary ,its the emotional loss which hurts more. I trusted him was major part of my life for the past few years. Depressing to see him chew and spit us out.
Dont worry… I am too invested after his suggestion.. though not a subscriber.. My buying price is too high… I can only laugh now.. no other option…
SEBI is empowered to act if he refuses to refund Prorata subscription amount so if you pay 1 Lakh for 365 days and he closes it after 320 days he has to pay you back for the balance 45 days otherwise all of us can write to sebi and that will really spoil his reputation so he can never ever start any PMS or MF again :Knowing all this he is neither closing down the ask basant section formally since in that case he has to pay us back : so he is just acting disinterested and not taking any questions etc :being a marwari he is very smart but once sebi starts to enquire he will be in deep soup more so as there are few subscribers who are against him since he was arrogant to them
He replied me on asking for new subscription within 10 MINUTES….thought he was very arrogant… “We are not taking new subscriptions”…
I can very well understand your position. It was just on a lighter note. Did not mean to hurt anybody’s feelings. I also lost my money in the past because of somebody else greed.
you paid 1 lakh for 1 year? to get a negative return. i invested in kitex,anuh pharma made a 5 bagger, yes 10 lakhs to 50 lakhs,thanks to mmb,free advice
This is from his tweet….”Loss of capital is temporary, while loss of confidence is permanent”- :-), same happen here also.
I think most comments above are motivated by either rivals of basant or same person posting multiple times – Basant is too honest and cultured to reply to anyone here or even read these posts – he will refund any one’s subscription you only have to write an email to him and you will receive the prorata balance the next day to your bank account and your account will be closed.As for Hawkins he held it for 6 long years and he sold it not because co is bad but because he felt he wished to switch – that does not mean he feels Hawkins will perform badly – Basant has nurtured the portfolio of his subscribers like HIS OWN and i have not met any similar cultured honest and caring person in my 25 year investing career – We have to respect knowledge and courage the learnings from him has been enormous – i sincerely apologise to him if he is reading these posts for t he hurt he may have felt – sorry guru we dont deserve a guru like you -Yes i am his subscriber but i wish to remain anonymous-I respect him like my elder brother
Ohh.. talking abt honesty.. why did he gave buy calls .. aggressive buy calls on tv channels and magazines?? And next moment he was out of the stock.. in one month he saw an opportunity elsewhr that he completely sold hawkins?? Is that the level of honesty u preaching here? And we know his pedigree and culture.. not once he has appeared on tv and talked abt hawkins.. if u think he has sold hawkins not coz the co is bad but found opportunity elsewhr y is he hiding behind the bush.. and who are u ? Just coz u say this doesnt mean basant is nice and honest… he is dishonest, unprofessional and uncultured..we want to hear that from his mouth .. not from any subscribers….
If you don’t like the company then why you have invested in it. I think BM had given the pick long time back and if he to do any thing wrong there was lot of company which he had recommended and fool the investor.
Find the wrong in others are very easy.
He had given his view and you are free to do any what you want.
The Leaders give false promises every time in the election and every time they are elected. The fact is all want to be millionare.
DOES GURUS SOLD STOCK NOT BECAUSE COMPANY IS BAD BUT BECAUSE HE FELT HE WISHED TO SWITCH ????
I think the bigger story is most of the tweets have been engineered by a person called D Muthukrishnan a so called tadpole from chennai of wisewealth advisors(dot)com who had enormous jealousy for BM – So they used this to try to bring BM down – pure jealousy
We should go to SEBI to put him Behind BARs for his Cheating & misleading ppls without enough disclosure.
I dont think he has License from SEBI to RUN Advisory Services & that can lead him to His proper place… Such a greedy person..
Few links & Articles for making Complaint in SEBI, lets is do it on individual basis to teach him some lesson.
http://www.sebi.gov.in/cms/sebi_data/attachdocs/1340957586933.pdf
Except SEBI licensed PMS providers, nobody is authorized to dispense stock advice to investors and receive consideration for the same.
These brokers keep changing the avatars under various names such as Portfolio Advisory Services, Portfolio Construction Services, Investment Strategy services etc.
Whatever jingle these people use, please note that they are not licensed or authorized by SEBI to do so. You are dealing with them at your own risk.
Source:
http://wisewealthadvisors.com/2011/03/23/unregistered-stock-advisors-sebi-is-looking-at-you-investors-beware/
http://www.goodreturns.in/personal-finance/investment/2013/03/how-can-investors-file-an-online-complaint-sebi-164099.html
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-12-06/news/44864156_1_sebi-issues-securities-and-exchange-board-complaints
It would be NAIVE to believe that those who write on this forum care more for subscribers of Ask Basant than the actual subscribers themselves who are continuing to be v happy with BM – So if any one has any grouse against BM or need any clarification have the guts to write to his email or call him up directly for a direct answer – This is the best way to get clarity i believe
I can see so many comments as BM saw good opportunity elsewhere and sold Hawkins. but the main issue is why was he advising subscribers to buy and hold the stock. Many people bought because of his advise and have been caught on wrong foot. He should have been transparent in that aspect. He should declare as when he sold his holdings in Hawkins to clear the mess.
If this is the strategy he follows. We can easily expect how he is going to run PMS or MF in future.
There are thousands of recommendations every day and most do not go right. Please do not take up one allegation and make a mountain of molehill. Basant’s number is known to all his subscribers and most do talk to him. More people have made hell of money by his advice than lost. He may not be perfect, I do not know about his transactions but he has helped more people and in more way of being on the path of investing than anyone else. I have been in equities since past 24 years and can say this for sure. About his charging high amount, it is not a doctor forcing a patient on death bed to pay. Rather people who believe in him do. If they do not want to pay, they stop subscription like D Muthukrishnan did after a year.If you have a problem , pick up a phone and call him. There could be better advisers than Basant, yes, follow them. His friends wont detract him, no matter how much crap is published here or even if he gives up his advisory completely.
At the end of the day, BM is a human and everyone can get a stock wrong. It is crazy the way people are constantly tarnishing his image. I have been with him on BC for over 2 years and even with the drop in Hawkins I am still having very good returns due to the performance of other stocks. I can totally understand people who have just joined and bought stocks recently, but the market is correcting as well and ALL stocks are falling, some more than the other. Surely as an investor you should be looking at atleast 1 year’s return in the portfolio and then comment on the quality of the recommendations.
He is a dignified tipster. sometimes his tips work sometimes they fail.
lol. Hawkins management and BM have several things in common. arrogance. super confidence in their abilities. highly intelligent but care less about their stake holders. cant take criticism in good spirit.
I know BM from a long time and I had opportunity to spend few hours one on one with him. he has vast knowledge on investing ideas. completely original thinker. nobody of his type that I know in indian markets. his approach to concentrated pf , high quality, high roce, high pe stocks is completely new in indian markets and worked well. I have greately benefited from that approach.
I was a member of BC, but hardly bought any thing from top 10. I bought and sold Hawkins after seeing the slow growth. I held page till recently. I joined BC to pick his mind, not the stocks. guys, learn how to fish. don’t expect somebody will do your work. if you pay 1 lakh, doesn’t mean you throw up the responsibility. its YOUR money.
BM as a person, I never liked, but it didn’t effect me. why should I bother about his personality. I know he blocks threads, deletes posts in TED if he doesn’t like them. he doesn’t want others to dominate, he will throw away them at first instance. he kept on increasing fees. even though he says he started BC with a view to help young, not so rich investors, soon he relied on few big accounts who can pay even 5 lakhs.
I will always respect BM the investor and don’t care about his personality. he is not a role model in that sense.
Bala,
He did excellent stock picking from 2008 onward I agree as “by chance” he picked up high ROE theme after Lehman crises thinking in “low liquidity era” high ROE stocks will do well which was correct assessment. But, we will see his performance over next 6-8 years.
Every market cycle is different from previous one and he knows leaders of last bull run will not repeat so he is betting on Housing Finance, Consumer and IPR Pharma stocks. One can clearly see he himself has no clue. That is why I said now that market is not obliging him he will become bit humble.
My friend who is a subscriber had posted a query on BC regarding his latest idea Granules. He asked why he disclosed the very latest idea so early and so openly in the media; whereas his other old ideas were disclosed much later after they became multibaggers. This was not fair. To his query his arrogant reply was do not renew the account next year.
How can he reply this way? And this was just before the Hawkins issue began. Is this his dignity that his blind followers see?
He literally requested to support and help him on MMB when Hawkins issue started boiling. Like an amateur he was crying and saying I will not accept anymore subscriptions and will close down my Basant’s Corner service soon.
Ridiculous guy.
Can u please ask ur friend if Hawkins is still no 1 in Basant top ten …has he given hold or sell recom on Hawkins or still asking to buy?
I know neither Hawkins’s position in BM Top 10 nor the appearance of the same in BM’s Top 10. But I was told that on 28th May BM had changed the rating from Buy to HOLD till further notice.
I known Basant since last 5-6 years and I have seen him going from Humble to hardcore arrogant guy…I can compare him with Arvind Kejriwal hr has lots of characteristic like him…talk loud, arrogant, play with common ppls emotions /money….
I am 100% sure ppls are nit disappoint with failure of Hawkins but his arrogant behaviour more then loosing money and hr should be honest with his subscribers when he was selling Hawkins, why can not he tell to his subscribers that I am selling lets all of us sell and move on to new stock…simple..but his EGO come in between and now his arrogance is taking him down
Completely agree with you Sachin. Its this thing only that more peopl are complaining about. It is not about one wrong stock pick; but after paying hefty fees to him he is cheating his subscribers. The subscribers are really fool because BM did not spare them too. It would have been other thing that he told openly in media to buy but he himself along with his subscribers would have been selling. But this did not happen. He alone sold this scrip and made other’s life miserable. People have definitely lost faith in him now.
The discussion about Hawkins & BM selling in Jan or May or June etc is all guesswork and believe lot of people are just using his silence as their weapon (As they don’t have anything else) and have also pronounced him as guilty without any evidence in hand & rely on hearsay. Anyway, just incase lets assume he has not announced, which I would call it as good else it can cause mayhem for this low liquidity stock. You may have noticed it never hit its lower circuit anytime during last few months. I would suggest him to go slow on changing his position because there is no scam in the stock just that consumer demand is yet not picking up, else product quality, brand, company Balance sheet everything is top notch. Now on the call on Hawkins – everyone knows and even BM agreed he went wrong on his assessment, but that’s ok (The stock is still not all that bad in my opinion) – if someone looking at bigger picture will still be fine with one call going wrong and its good to go wrong with a stock like Hawkins rather than GMR or Unitechs of the world.
Lesson to be learned never follow any stock gurus and make your own decision for investment
Nevertheless, I checked Hawkins balance sheet/income statement,seems its margin is under pressure with operating expenses shooting up
That may either be a one off or suggest inefficiencies creeping up and competitive pressure.Using DDF ,and assuming for next 5 years EPS grows by CAGR 10 percent as historical 5 year EPS CAGR is 15 percent(just to be conservative taking a low growth rate)
So the fair value should be around 1600 rupees( and thats an optimistic value since its hard to say if Hawkins margin wont be under pressure next year)
Hawkins at 2300 seems overvalued and may fall further in bear market scenario,also its top line seems to be slowing down , Also its historical EV/sales is around 2.34, fall of 25 -30 percent from this level would take it around 1.65 -1.7 levels, would be around 1600 rupees
Disclaimer: I have no position in stock and this analysis is merely for information and shouldnt be construed as any buy/sell recommendation
Also regarding page industries which many may have, its also an expensive stock ,no doubt its 5 year historical CAGR EPS is 37 percent, but law of reversion catches up generally , the industry median is 17 percent
Market is building a growth rate of 30 percent at current price,its on the higher side,if one discounts using median growth value of 17 percent then the fair price is 6295 ,so at best page industries is more than fully valued
Generally CAGR of more than 30 percent to continue is unrealistic as reversion to mean usually happens, at best one can hold the stock if invested
Suno sab ki karo manki is the mantra.Please apply your own mind before investing is of prime importance.No point following like blind and then whining.I too had Hawkins in my PF but when the co did not perform I switched to a promising stock on my own which is now a 3 bagger.
You cant hound a man if the price does not rise.he can also make mistakes.
I will always remember BM for his original though process,belief in concentrating PF,focusing on hitherto esoteric concepts like ROCE.ROE ,getting rid of poor performing stocks like metals,PSUs and the ilk,getting some lovely stocks like Page Ind,Repco Home,GRUH,CERA,Kajaria,Whirlpool and many others in the portfolio.
His book The thoughtful investor is a yeoman service to small Indian investor.
If he recommends same stocks on TV free of charge and charges his subscribers one hundred thousand rupees per year (and his fee rises at higher CAGR than any of his stock recommendations) and also claims to own/buy same set of shares, is this not conflict of interest ?
I know BM personally and his integrity is unquestionable. People who are venting out anger here must introspect and ask themselves how serious they are about investing? do they really have the stomach to see the ups and downs, losses and gains? what is their investing philosophy and what is their portfolio allocation strategy? These are facades of investing which BM always touches upon in his answers and people who have interacted with him have had the advantage to introspect on these and have benefitted for life as against a opportunistic stock market tip.
BM series of hits is far far more than his miss which is mostly Hawkins n even that is a hit as it wad first recommended at a v cheap price.
lets focus on mans positive qualities n series of superb picks n his original thought processes
To those who claim to know him. Look at actions on his stocks. His buying and selling. Look closely, is he not one of the most selfish & shrewdest manipulators? That too, by fooling his own subscribers? Integrity? where is integrity at the time of selling old and new stocks?
Hi, Below is the message forwarded by my friend who is a subscriber of BM’s service.
Dear Friends,
The events of the past few months starting with Twitter and of late the fiasco on Hawkins has left a very bad taste in my mouth. The questions raised on various social networking sites questioning my integrity has forced me to have a closer look as to whether Basant’s Corner should actually be functioning or not.
The entire objective of creating this platform was to enhance the process of knowledge sharing. Most of you know that my life is focused primarily on being an investor than as an information provider to other investors. And when questions like these crop up I really get confused on the future plan of action.
I would rather remain an investor and have a peaceful and comfortable sleep at night rather than lose sleep over what one loose canon is telling another. Of late my interest in BC has been coming down and I would rather stop doing something rather than provide inferior trade services.
While I make up my mind on the next course of action which might take a few weeks or so I am as a first step STOPPING all new registrations.
We don’t need more people in this group and the road ahead for the existing ones will be shared in due course.
Meanwhile if you get time do read the Hawkins thread on the Moneycontrol message Board and do reply back to those people who are questioning the very integrity of the platform that has helped you turn your lacs into Crores.
Thank you
Basant Maheshwari
He says He is focused on being an investor than a knowledge provider !
and when questions crop up , he is confused
so does it mean that he has sold hawkins himself after writing to buy hawkins to his followers!
“Investor > knowledge provider”
and now when the time comes to answer his critics, he is flying away.
asking his followers to reply the critics !
Basant, you lost the credibility ..
karma, have you seen the contract notes? do not make false allegations and spread rumours.
Kautilya,
Doid he has SEBI license to RUN the Advisory services??
What kind of the Contract Notes you are talking about.. He cheated his OWN ppls & now he is throwing the Towel 🙁
So, none of the commentors here has evidence of BM selling at higher price but every body wants to do the mud slinging. Also if you pay a little attention to the commenting style, it becomes evident that the same person is posting false allegations against BM under various pseudonames. Take a look at this, notice the use of the word “ppls”:
Comment #1:
Sahrika
June 12, 2015 at 1:26 am | Permalink
We should go to SEBI to put him Behind BARs for his Cheating & misleading ppls without enough disclosure.
Comment #2:
sachin
June 13, 2015 at 9:59 am | Permalink
I known Basant since last 5-6 years and I have seen him going from Humble to hardcore arrogant guy…I can compare him with Arvind Kejriwal hr has lots of characteristic like him…talk loud, arrogant, play with common ppls emotions /money….
Comment #3:
Sagrika
June 15, 2015 at 3:40 pm | Permalink
Kautilya,
Doid he has SEBI license to RUN the Advisory services??
What kind of the Contract Notes you are talking about.. He cheated his OWN ppls & now he is throwing the Towel
Posts from “Sahrika”, “Sachin” and “Sagrika” all came from the same person. Please stop making personal attacks and stop trolling.
Kautilya, Are you foolish or what??
Is ONLY same ppls use ppls in their writing ??? I feel you your self is BM posting in name of “Kautilya” & defending yourself in public & he himself asked his Comrades read Bhakts to defends him on MMB & I feel he sent some of his Comrades here on RJ blog as well.. This kind of defending will bring more BAD name for him & as he is already planning to close his subscription, so if he has not done anything UNETHICAL then why he is closing his services, FEAR of SEBI?? ha ha ha Keep defending him my dear friend, but his reputation is GONE Now, so no Point defending him now 🙂
Shame on all those who cast aspersions on such an honest and helping person like BM – Shame on all you losers – take ownership of your money dont hide behind anyone – its your funeral if you try to find scapegoats for your stupid errors – As for his subscribers they are all happy to be with him and are sorry that he is stopping .
Kautilya, Are you foolish or what??
Is ONLY same ppls use ppls in their writing ??? I feel you your self is BM posting in name of “Kautilya” & defending yourself in public & he himself asked his Comrades read Bhakts to defends him on MMB & I feel he sent some of his Comrades here on RJ blog as well.. This kind of defending will bring more BAD name for him & as he is already planning to close his subscription, so if he has not done anything UNETHICAL then why he is closing his services, FEAR of SEBI?? ha ha ha Keep defending him my dear friend, but his repudiation is GONE Now, so no Point defending him now 🙂
I think people are confusing the issues here. I think the real points are:
#1 Should a financial advisor be allowed to invest his own money in markets?
Nobody has a problem with the fact that he sold first. He did that with Titan too. Problem is if he asked others to buy/hold while he himself sold.
#2 Should an advisor promise assured returns?
He promised people he would generate 30% returns for them. This enticed many people to sell their properties and gold to invest in stocks. Is it fair for him to leave these investors in the lurch?
#3 He is starting a PMS and is fully subscribed within one week of sending the mail to shut BC down. Was it all not pre planned?
Legally right or wrong is one thing but these are ethical and moral issues. What do you guys think?
I can easily say that all your 3 claims are incorrect. 1) If you go through his answers for last few months, he has not recommended anyone to buy Hawkins; 2) If you read his disclaimer no where 30% return is mentioned, but yes we aim for higher returns but no promise because it is a market and 3) So far it is only shutdown of BC, incase anything new comes up – all his subscribers will know.
“He promised people he would generate 30% returns for them. This enticed many people to sell their properties and gold to invest in stocks. Is it fair for him to leave these investors in the lurch?”
If someone followed him since Jan 2015. Losses as of today post recovery (after some averaging downwards) – Granules 15%; PI 7%, Hawkins 38%; Gruh 22%; Repco 12%.
Now forum is getting closed. After paying 1 lakh fee.
All supporters – Is it ethical?
People should make a complaint against him to the SEBI.
Today SEBI barred HBJ from advisory services.
next is Basant.
Stock Market is a game of long innings – you cant measure your return in 6 months and if you are his subscriber then you would have his numbers. Talk to him, he is talking to his subscribers to answer their concerns.
Mr Jigesh
What about Page Industries. It had given 25% appox r.eturn as on date and 40% appox. if you take the 52 weeks high.
Could someone provide an advice on how should the erstwhile BC members work going forward so as to not loose their money invested in BC stocks? Whatever we say here, there is no doubt that most of the stocks suggested by Basant Sir are high quality and the question is how should we, those who have invested heavily on these stocks, work going forward so as to not loose this money when Basant sir’s guidance is no longer available
I know the typical answer would be to continuously work on following up your stocks or suggestions about some new advisory service etc etc.
But I am looking for some cooperation between the erstwhile members in terms of using collective wisdom to protect our portfolios