Novice investors like you and me are brought up on the belief system that banking and NBFC stocks should form a core part of our portfolio. The rationale is that the business of money-lending is an easy one to understand, there is no dearth of demand and the scope of opportunity for expansion is infinite. We are also told that the entire financial sector is a proxy for the entire economy and that the first green shoots become visible in this sector.
Yet, six of the brightest minds in the Indian stock market have studiously avoided the banking sector.
Dolly Khanna, Vijay Kedia and Ashish Kacholia have made their dislike for the sector clear by not investing even a farthing of their enormous wealth in a single Bank or NBFC stock.
Prof Sanjay Bakshi, the authority on value investing, knows that such an issue of seminal importance cannot be left unexplained to his vast legion of fans. The Prof has written an elaborate treatise (“When You Buy A Bank …”) in which he has laid bare his reasons for avoiding all companies with debt, including banks.
Porinju Veliyath is equally articulate about the issue. He plainly calls the banking business a “bad business”.
We avoided bank stocks for nearly a decade.
Take deposits, have to pay back with interest; give loan, may or may not come back – bad biz!
— Porinju Veliyath (@porinju) July 20, 2015
The interesting part is that Porinju’s dislike for banking stocks does not mean that he does not recommend them to his followers. He did once recommend an investment in South Indian Bank on the basis that it is a “very safe bet” and “looks good”.
He also tweeted about it:
If anyone is keen on banking exposure, South Indian Bank @ 26 looks safe and rewarding after the Q2 bad results!
— Porinju Veliyath (@porinju) October 27, 2014
Unfortunately, Porinju’s recommendation has not fared well. Instead of being “safe” and “rewarding” as foreseen by Porinju, South Indian Bank has sunk to the CMP of Rs. 19 leading to a loss of about 28%. This loss must have further strengthened Porinju’s resolve to stay away from banking stocks!
However, Ramesh Damani, popularly known as the ‘Nawab of Dalal Street’ owing to his mastery in stock picking and seer-like review of the markets, has taken all of us by surprise by staging a dramatic somersault and declaring an allergy to bank stocks.
In an interview to Menaka and Senthil of CNBCTV18 in July 2014, Ramesh Damani was very bullish about Banking and NBFC stocks. He said:
“Menaka: Nothing has attracted you back to the financial sector?
A: We have a good position in the NBFC. We have some position in the private sector banks. If you look at one of the major companies I own, ICICI Bank, that is almost on the verge of a lifetime breakout around Rs 1500. So that on technical basis at least looks attractive to me.
The NBFCs are having a great run – companies like Gruh Finance, companies like GIC Housing—they are all having a great run. Sundaram Finance, very quiet performer, never diluted its equity despite being a finance company. So there are good pickings in that sector. There is this thought process that ultimately as Indian economy grows and the savings come in, there won’t be enough people to tap into the saving. So these are good quality businesses that are to be prized and to be held for many years to come from this point on all sorts.”
It is notable that Ramesh Damani clearly stated that he has a “good position” in NBFC stocks and that he has “some position” in private sector banks, including ICICI Bank.
However, in his latest interview of 11th January 2016 to ETNow, Ramesh Damani sang a different tune. When Ayesha Faridi asked him (@18.25) “What would you not touch?” Ramesh Damani said:
“Rather than names, specific sectors like banks and all which I actually don’t touch”.
When Nikunj asked him in an incredulous tone “You do not buy banks, even private banks?” Ramesh Damani replied “I have never bought a bank”. He then corrected himself to say that he had never bought a “significant” quantity of the private sector banks. “I missed out on all the great private sector banks” Ramesh said in a rueful tone. He also added that he is “always looking for value” and that he is “not averse to any sector, including Banks”, contradicting his own statement. Ramesh also implied that he dislikes banks because they “don’t offer value” at present.
Now, the unfortunate aspect is that this contradictory and inconsistent stand by Ramesh Damesh has left novice investors like us confused and perplexed as to what our own stand should be with regard to Banking and NBFC stocks. Should we follow the path shown by our illustrious idols and shun banking stocks or should we defy them? If you have a viewpoint on this seminal issue, now is the time to state it!
I stay away from PSU banks in general because they can give loans for “various” reasons and getting the money back is never a priority because it is not their money and their jobs never depend on it.
Private banks have to be dealt with selectively. I have made money on banking stocks but I think the opportunities aren’t big enough for illustrious investors (although RJ did make a fortune in Karur Vysya). We need to pick those banks that are healthy and have reasonably good managements. City Union comes to mind.
Discl: I recently bought DCB because the story is good (even the latest results) and it is cheap compared to its peers (after the large correction that wasn’t because of business fundamentals). Again a very selective approach than a general call on private banking. 🙂
Even a below average stock can give money – if bought at an appropriate price. To dismiss ‘all banking stocks’ as a ‘bad segment’ would be foolhardy. For example, I see value in DCB Bank at its CMP of 75-80. Expect it touch 110-120 in a 18 months time!
My dear friend after he sold it he will say like this – all cheats
My big portion of portfolio is in private banking and NBFCs.I have HDFC bank,ICICI bank,AXIS bank,Kotak bank,Indus sind bank ,Yes bank,Fedral bank,DCB bank,DHFL,LIC housing,GIC housingRel Cap .I had never lost in private banking and NBFC and out performed market since long on basis of my this holding.Those who missed out on private banking boom of India must be regretting ?See the constituent of NIFTY or Sensex or other indexes.If we leave apart winning of some specultive bets of these experts ,Return given by these banks are comparable oe even better than CAGR made in the in investment portfolio of these Experts. Any way trading was also possible and comparitvliy easy than many of complex bets of these experts.More over many of stocks held by many experts are just defying logic of gravity and maintained at artificaly high price by speculators and their followers., More over with big equity and big business,manipulation,speculation and management collusion was not possible in big banks ,so few experts and master of such game might have remain out of these.Indian private sector Banks and NBFCs are a great bet for future and Stock market has and will never run for more than 6 months without participation of finincial sector.Can any body give stocks in portfolio of these Experts which might have given return like Kotak,HDFC bank,yes bank,indusind bank,Axis bank since listing of these banks.Even RJ remained stuck in KVB and regretted not participating in new generation private bank.In last interview Ramesh Damani called HDFC bank as 24 Carrats gold stock,500 share of which were gifted to her daughter on her birth and has given huge returns and with several lacs.I shall remain invested in private banking for rest of my life and hope to make decent returns in long run ,that is for sure.
Ramesh Damani is a great invester of India and market Guru. My above post in no way reduces my deep respect to our Small investers Hero Ramesh Damani or any body else, but is just expression of opposite expression of personal view in which I believe presently.
One of the worst articles I have ever read.
Private banks and NBFCs are the biggest wealth creators. No research. just glorifying idiots.
Worst article, don’t put such scrap articles on the website.
Porinju is the buffet + munger + peter lynch of india. even foreign fund managers take advice from him. many fund managers have his picture on their table.
It is totally wrong . I had generated good wealth in Yesbank / Axis bank.. I loose at SBI..
Holding Yes Bank ,IndusInd Bank ,HDFC Bank , LIC Housing , GIC Housing and HDFC. Making a good return on these .I believe for a investor Banks and NBFC are a good sector .Of Course , As with other sectors and shares – one has to be selective about the scripts and the purchase price
the market is final arbiter…time will tell if banking stocks under perform from here ..though banking sector has largest market cap if I am not wrong
Pvt sector banking and NBFC has largest cap ,you rightly said.How they become so without giving returns?, you have already given the answer.
Kharb sir…Axis in particular is getting decimated with each passing day. From a peak of 640, it is now down to 370 odd…and that is a staggering fall in a few months. I know that they admitted to some NPAs and write offs/provisions…but does it have to fall so much? what is the bad apple (commodity and metal cos in their loan PF? will be keen to know your expert view sir..thanks
A friend of mine today told me that he may not even trust the cash coming out of Axis ATMs anymore..such is the annihilation in that stock..
Disc – invested and in pain..mean price around 470